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[ ![Time To Get Rid Of The American Bar Association?  With Joy Pullman](https://thewilmingtonstandard.com/images/podcasts/nikkiandreuel/Season2/episode13/JoyPullmann-Intro.png) ](https://thewilmingtonstandard.com/podcast/the-nikki-and-reuel-podcast-experience/time-to-get-rid-of-the-american-bar-association-with-joy-pullman)

In this episode of the Nikki and Reuel podcast, hosts Reuel Sample and Nikki Bascome engage with Joy Pullmann, executive editor of The Federalist, discussing the profound influence of the American Bar Association (ABA) on the legal system and its implications for constitutional integrity. Joy articulates her concerns about the ABA's monopoly over legal education and its leftist agenda, which she argues undermines the rule of law. The conversation transitions to the concept of queer politics, linking it to the destruction of the family unit, which Joy posits as essential for societal stability. The discussion also touches on the importance of community and church in providing support, especially in addressing trauma among children. Joy emphasizes the need for alternatives to the ABA and advocates for a more entrepreneurial approach to legal reform, highlighting the interconnectedness of family, community, and governance.

  19 March 2025