Reuel Sample
Welcome to the Wilmington Standard. I'm Reuel Sample. The question of Christian faith in public schools.

Should it be taught? Should it be allowed for? Should there be allowances made for that kind of education?

That's what we're going to be talking about today and joining us to get into that and other areas is Alissa Sivils. Alissa is a Carolina Beach gal. Now you are.

And you are the local point of contact for an organization called LifeWise and you are in the process of talking with the New Hanover County Board of Education to put LifeWise programs into the elementary schools here in New Hanover County.

Alissa Sivils
Right. Well, not necessarily just elementary school but any of the schools who are, you know, wanting, the communities are wanting that program.

Reuel Sample
Okay, so tell me a little bit about LifeWise.

Alissa Sivils
Okay, LifeWise is an organization that, what you just said, brings character and Bible education into public school systems. It is completely legal for the past 70 years and has maintained its legality. It requires us to have three standards, though, that you must have in place and that is that it's off-school premises, that it's parent opt-in, and that it is completely paid for by nonprofit community involvement, that it's privately funded, and that the school and the district has no, you know, play in that at all.

So it's really kind of taking, separating the program from the district's responsibility.

Reuel Sample
We're going to get into those a little bit but you said 70 years old. You are in, I think if I remember from your site, 31 states and 1,100 schools?

Alissa Sivils
Well, the legality is 70 years.

Reuel Sample
Okay.

Alissa Sivils
The program itself started in 2018.

Reuel Sample
Okay.

Alissa Sivils
But yes, as far as the amount of states we're in, it's grown pretty rapidly. So over 30 states that we're in, over 100,000 children that are now currently receiving the program throughout the United States.

Reuel Sample
That's amazing.

Alissa Sivils
In North Carolina, we are 800 students and counting, as far as the students, you know, in the program currently in North Carolina.

Reuel Sample
Now, you are from, you are living in Carolina Beach. The program started in Columbus, Ohio.

Alissa Sivils
In Ohio.

Reuel Sample
Yes.

Alissa Sivils
Yeah.

Reuel Sample
Okay, but it is a local grassroots movement. We were talking about that before the recording started, is that even though it is a national foundation, this is a local grassroots movement.

Alissa Sivils
Exactly.

Reuel Sample
Okay. And you are the head of it here?

Alissa Sivils
I am the chairperson for the steering committee.

Reuel Sample
Okay.

Alissa Sivils
And, and that's just, this is the fun part about the program, is that yes, it is very much grassroots. You have the beauty of an organization, LifeWise, that has given us a solid foundation for the legalities and the logistics of being able to implement a program like this into a community. And so, what happens once the steering committee begins, we start building the support.

We start building the, I guess, the foundation for the desire for the parents in the community to want the program in their community. And once we've established that, that's when we then go to the superintendent and to the board on trying to get it implemented.

Reuel Sample
Now, you have, you have started that process with the, the superintendent. You're on step six of what, ten steps.

Alissa Sivils
Yeah.

Reuel Sample
Is the, is the response from the community positive? Are parents really asking for something like this?

Alissa Sivils
Well, we have, we have about 700 signatures now that we have been trying to gain. You know, and that, that kind of thing is, is kind of widespread throughout the Wilmington area or the New Hanover County area. And there's multiple schools that have, well, where the signatures are placed, they also put the school that they would like to see it in.

So, there's multiple schools that have come up in this and those signatures. But really, what it comes down to is the, the organization of, of the community members that want to be involved. And that's where we've seen the most encouragement.

Because we're just seeing the, the amount of churches, denominational, non-denominational, you, you, you know, you name it. They're all actually coming together. They're, they're having, you know, creating lunch dates.

They're discussing it. They're talking it, about it amongst themselves and really trying to figure out how they can help build this within our community. And we have churches already wanting to help host the site.

We have, we have pastors who are trying to help us with the transportation piece of things. We have volunteers already signed up. Retired teachers or substitutes who are really wanting to step into the role of teaching in the classroom or assisting.

The volunteers that have signed up to occasionally come in and help out. So there, there is just a lineup for the support. And, and so that's just a cool thing to see through all of this.

And I'm just a mom coming into something that I really didn't know what it was going to look like. Right? So I'm just, I didn't think I would be sitting here with you today, even discussing this program in this way.

I kind of sat in my little bubble thinking, Oh, what a neat program. Let's put it in, you know, let's, let's add this in.

Reuel Sample
It sounds like you missed a meeting and they made you in church.

Alissa Sivils
Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's exactly how I feel. I'm not the type to stand in front of a school board or any of those things.

Right. So this is all new to me. And, um, but you know, as there is this positive, um, growth and, and this encouraging space that we're in right now, there's also the other aspect of this and it's the naysayers.

It's the ones who have fear behind what they're seeing happening. Um, and, uh, so there is some fear behind this, even within the Christians that we are speaking to as well. Um, and so we're just, you know, and I think what I'm feeling called to do is just bring a sense of calm to the chaos by bringing truth.

And, um, and I just feel like, you know, that the fear is attached to just these lies that are spreading around. And the reality is that there's nothing really scary about something that is opt in that is community, community founded, really. I mean, for the most part, likewise comes in and has that support underneath us for all the legalities and logistics.

But as far as what the, what the actual program looks like, every school is going to be different because the community is building it. Every school has a different, um, a little bit different of a culture. The principals might, you know, manage things a little bit different of a way.

Um, their schedules may be a little different. So each school is going to look entirely different from the next.

Reuel Sample
So that's, that's interesting because you're not, even though you have to go through the school district to, to get this program in place, you are still community driven. So Ogden elementary schools program might look far different than a college acres community program because it is community driven. The other thing that you said is that this is also parent driven is that there, there has to be, you know, we say that there's a form, but I'm sure there's a lot of forms that the parent has to sign off on for their children to participate.

Alissa Sivils
Exactly.

Reuel Sample
Yeah. So that's important.

Alissa Sivils
Yes, exactly. And, and I mean, I think that's key is that this is about parent choice within the school day of, you know, their child's curriculum and what they're learning and, and, and how they're growing. And I think that parents should have a voice in that, um, especially in our public schools.

Yes. And this is an opt in option.

Reuel Sample
Yes. Well, as my friend Nikki Baskin would often say is that, uh, teachers are the expert of their fields, but parents are the expert of their children. And we really should have parents involved in what their kids are learning in schools.

Yes. So, all right, let's talk a little bit about the logistics because I think that's where you're probably getting a lot of pushback too, isn't it?

Alissa Sivils
And I'll talk as much as I can about that.

Reuel Sample
I understand. I understand. Uh, so the, the, the program is designed to take the kids out of school, uh, again with parental involvement and all that stuff for an hour a week, not an hour a day or an hour a week, an hour a week, an hour a week during an elective time period.

Alissa Sivils
Um, and that, that has been a hot topic as well.

Reuel Sample
Yes.

Alissa Sivils
So, um, it's, again, we're looking at the individual schools, their schedules and what's best for those, that school. Um, so, and then, you know, also the program. So, so when you're looking at that, it could be maybe during, um, club time, you know, sometimes some of the schools have times, you know, like it's an hour during the day that's for clubs.

Um, that that's a possibility.

Reuel Sample
I have been out of school far too long. We didn't have club time when I went to elementary school.

Alissa Sivils
Um, so, and then there's also, you know, this, the specials times, which has been a controversial, um, and that can be looked at differently by each principal. Um, and so again, that's something that we'd have to just have that conversation. We want this to be a cordial thing.

We don't want this to be conflicted.

Reuel Sample
Obviously this is a partnership.

Alissa Sivils
So, um, the other option too, that we've had, um, other LifeWise communities use is, um, lunch and recess time. Okay. And because our LifeWise classes usually are very active.

Um, and so it really gives the kids time to move, to, to speak, to, you know, just get that energy out, um, express themselves. Um, and so cutting into a lunch and recess sometimes, um, when we LifeWise, it's often provided the lunches for the kids.

Reuel Sample
Okay.

Alissa Sivils
Um, and that gives that timeframe and, and sometimes it's 45 minutes. Sometimes it's 40, sometimes it's an hour. It just kind of all depends on that, that, um, contract with the school or that agreement.

Reuel Sample
And again, it's, it's, uh, I'm going to keep going back to this is that it is a contract with the school district, but it is always in relationship with a particular, an individual school.

Alissa Sivils
Absolutely.

Reuel Sample
So, so the, the question though, then is that this is, it is off campus.

Alissa Sivils
It has to be off campus at this point.

Reuel Sample
And so you have the program and then transportation to and from, can you do all that in an hour?

Alissa Sivils
They do.

Reuel Sample
Do they really?

Alissa Sivils
They do. And it's been proven. We have over a hundred thousand students, like I said, across the United States using the program.

So, and, and what we do is logistically, we find a location that's within two minutes of the school.

Reuel Sample
Two minutes.

Alissa Sivils
Two minutes.

Reuel Sample
Wow.

Alissa Sivils
So that's the goal. Um, and some locations and these are just scenarios that, that LifeWise has had in, you know, in their current, um, uh, classes that they have or programs, um, is, you know, even when one school had, had a, um, had the ability to build a little, um, uh, one room kind of schoolhouse that, that, that they were able to build to the guidelines and standards needed and they could just walk across the street.

Reuel Sample
Wow.

Alissa Sivils
So that was an option for one and they had a donor that, that was willing to pay for and create that for them.

Reuel Sample
Wow.

Alissa Sivils
Um, we've had, um, uh, where we have locations that are maybe a couple blocks away and the kids are able to walk. Um, and then also, you know, obviously we, if we don't have locations that are close enough, then, um, we try to stay within two to two to four minutes of the school and, and, um, then we have to find transportation. We have to, and that, again, that is, that is life, our grassroots committee who was building that and finding that transportation, funding that transportation.

It has, it's the community, it's not the system.

Reuel Sample
So you are not using school buses, you're not using any of the public transportation or the, the public funded transportation that the schools have to provide. Okay. Oh, my, my father is, sir, uh, just call me.

Okay. So, uh, a lot of folks have asked, uh, as I've talked with the folks about this is, uh, what about afterschool programs? Is that an option?

Alissa Sivils
And yeah, that is, that is a huge question that we've had asked so many times. And my answer to that is that, well, sure it could be an afterschool program. Anything can be right.

So, um, what, what we say is that many kids don't have the opportunity for an afterschool program.

Reuel Sample
Yeah.

Alissa Sivils
They're put on a bus, they're sent home. Um, and many times they already have music, you know, band and, and, and, and sports and, you know, karate, whatever. Right.

They have all these different things that they're doing after school that, you know, um, they're busy with and they're, they're just already in place. Um, but you know, we look mostly at the students who just don't have the opportunity.

Reuel Sample
Yeah.

Alissa Sivils
And that's, that's the biggest thing. Um, giving that time during the day for those who don't have the opportunity to even do an afterschool program, you know, this allows for it. But I think also as a mom, and I'm just speaking as a mom right now with my own opinion is that I love that.

Yeah. I take my child to church every Sunday and actually he's there for two to three services because we're volunteering the whole time. But, um, and he, but he loves it, you know, that's his community.

But if my child in the middle of the week was able to join with other kids, his age and have just 40 minutes of, you know, that moment of getting with God and, um, working through some of those character, you know, and, and behavior and, and, um, resilience type lessons, um, of what the world throws at you, um, with his classmates.

Reuel Sample
Yeah.

Alissa Sivils
That's pretty amazing.

Reuel Sample
Yeah.

Alissa Sivils
I mean, I think that's pretty cool. So, because those classmates he's going to be growing up with are going to be the same classmates he's going to be probably facing some of these challenges with.

Reuel Sample
Yes.

Alissa Sivils
So I think it's amazing.

Reuel Sample
And it's, it's putting that Christian worldview into their education, their education. Yes. But as we said, is that every school is different is that you might have schools where an afterschool program works.

Alissa Sivils
And, and look here, here's the thing is where it will, it could even start. And, and I just want to be very clear that LifeWise isn't coming in and this is the fears of indoctrination and the push of some organization coming in that's Christian and all of this stuff that you're hearing, um, is that LifeWise isn't coming in, barreling through the doors with a program and making everybody, you know, like trying to force it into school. That's not, that's not the case.

Um, this may start if it's approved in in one school, in one grade level, even, um, one 40 minute slot in a day. And as it, as it progresses, as the students start coming, as we start moving the program, then see working with the school. Okay.

Do we want to add another class?

Reuel Sample
Yes.

Alissa Sivils
And, and then do we want to add another, you know, I mean, how can we fit all the different, you know, with a schedule is the way they are. How do we fit every grade into being able, being able to participate? Well, we have separate days that we come to pick up different grade levels.

Reuel Sample
Yeah.

Alissa Sivils
We figure it out, but that could be what one school looks like. Another school might have a schedule where they all, you know, have the opportunity. Maybe, um, it's more in line.

The grade levels are more in line with being able to leave at a certain time.

Reuel Sample
Yeah. In educational parlance, that's called a pilot program. And we're always doing pilot programs.

And, you know, I think, and I, and I put this in my update a couple of days ago is that the folks who are, who are accusing you of indoctrinating our students are the same folks who think it's okay for boys to go into girls, uh, locker rooms and who have been indoctrinating our students for the last 50 years over truths that aren't really true. And so I think none of that holds water. Uh, but one of their questions is an important one.

If New Hanover County lets you in, right, do they have to do the same for everybody else? Well, um, possibly, possibly, but they also, but they have to match the high standards that you are putting on your program.

Alissa Sivils
And that is the point of having the high standards.

Reuel Sample
Yes.

Alissa Sivils
Yeah. And, and honestly, you know, and this is, this is what I say to some people is, you know, um, uh, yes, any group could come in and try to do the same thing, you know, and ask for the same thing. But yes, they have to, um, in my opinion, I mean, and not just my opinion, but in a legal sense, they have to meet certain criteria in order to make it happen.

And that took a lot of time, effort and years for LifeWise to develop and establish, um, especially to get to a place where they had it established well enough to put a plug and play system in effect. So, so that in itself, um, is pretty amazing that they've done all of that to allow these grassroots communities to bring this kind of a thing, you know, to their community. So, um, that's beautiful.

Um, but, um, and I, I just want to say this delicately is that if we work in, in, in a mindset of fear, um, then we won't move.

Reuel Sample
Yes.

Alissa Sivils
And as a Christian, I believe that yes, any, anybody could come in and do the same thing, but I'm not going to stand in fear and stay stagnant and not move the way that I feel that the Lord wants us to move.

Reuel Sample
Yes. Well, as a Christian, I will also state that, that, uh, if you're faithful to the promises that God has made, that your organization will take down walls where other organizations will run up against them. So I firmly believe that.

Next question. Why Wilmington? Why right now?

Uh, are, are, are, are we okay in our educational system or is this a response to what you're seeing? Why Wilmington right now?

Alissa Sivils
Well, you know, um, I'm going to speak as mom.

Reuel Sample
Please do.

Alissa Sivils
I'm going to speak as a mom first. Um, is I, I of course want the best for my son.

Reuel Sample
Yes.

Alissa Sivils
And when we first moved to, um, Carolina beach, I was a skeptic, um, and a lot of ways concerning my son going, where do I, where do we insert ourselves? Where, where do we fit?

Reuel Sample
Now, when you first came to Carolina beach, how old was your son?

Alissa Sivils
He was three and a half, three and a half.

Reuel Sample
Okay.

Alissa Sivils
Three. Um, and so he was just, you know, he was just starting getting in preschool, um, not yet kindergarten. And so, you know, there was a lot of thought put into, um, where he was going to go to school, you know, the community we're going to surround him with.

And, um, we found life point church and that's where it all started. Um, really it brought a family and a community to, um, us that we were really just, we were looking for. And we felt like the Lord just like planted us right where we needed to be.

Um, and the community surrounding him now, you know, yeah, there, there's, there's all walks of people around us and you know what, we love them all. And, but, and that's what I teach my son, but the community that grows my son is very important. Yes.

And the people that we found in Carolina beach and our, the community that we're in is there are my village, right? I think that it's important to have that village, that Christian based for me and for my family, that Christian based family, the village to help, you know, make him a good man one day. And, um, so with that being said, I opened up, I opened up because I felt like, Oh Lord, you're bringing me people I can trust.

You're bringing me people who are, are helping, not hindering. Um, you're, you're bringing people who are teaching my son, um, and not, um, teaching him the things that, that you want him to learn and know. And, and you're bringing us those people.

So I'm going to open up and I'm going to trust. And I put him in Carolina beach elementary.

Reuel Sample
Okay.

Alissa Sivils
And that is where, um, my, my heart just grew because I think that Carolina beach elementary is the sweetest school. And they, um, and as my son, you know, putting him in a Christian school, I know the other things that he would be getting, but I feel like we're filling as a family and as a community. And, um, the people that we've surrounded him with are filling that bucket for him, that going to Carolina beach elementary is filling a different kind of bucket for him because he's establishing good friendships and they, they are, um, they just love the kids.

They, they genuinely love the kids. And, um, it's been a wonderful experience for him and he's growing in, in that school. So going back to that question, I love this program because I feel like it's only going to, um, bring something to the students and not just the students, but the outcomes that the kids, the growth, the kids will have within the program.

Um, the, the outcomes of learning and, and, and establishing some of these character traits that, um, that they need and, and doing that together as, you know, as peers is something really cool and it can be carried over into their classrooms.

Reuel Sample
Anchors away, which is another really great organization. I don't know if you ever heard of them, uh, has did a study several years ago that 80 to 90% of all Christian kids, when they go to the university, fall away from the faith because they are not prepared by their parents and by their churches to handle the challenges that secular life, uh, gives them.

Alissa Sivils
Right.

Reuel Sample
And so what it sounds like is that the, uh, the life wise and you use a product called the gospel project for, for everything that teach is trying to hit that off. Uh, your curriculum focuses on, uh, three areas, head, heart, and hands. Three H's for a good Presbyterian for a person that like me, that's really, really good.

You've got three H's to remember head, heart, and hands. Tell me about that.

Alissa Sivils
Okay. So, um, well, as a Christian, I think that we can take a head, heart and hands and we can, we can kind of understand what that means. But, um, I think that if we, if we hit them just with the, with the education, we hit them just the education, but don't give them the, the, the why the, the, um, the experience that the activity in the classrooms, I think is very important because it's not just about reading the scripture and, um, and trying to understand what the scripture means.

It's about why it's about what it's about. Um, um, really trying to understand how we, how we, um, use that in our own life. And, um, so that is, I think that's an easy kind of quick answer to explaining that is that, you know, not just knowing the information it's, it's, it's, um, knowing how to use it in our own life.

And then a step away from that is how do we, maybe not, how do I, how do I want to put this? Um, I want to use the word disciple, but how do we go and shed and be that light that we've learned and that we know and be that light for others. And to me that's discipling, but not everybody might like, or be encouraged by that word.

I am, but it's really just being a light to others and, and that's just being able to walk in what they've learned. So, um, and I think that, uh, with any organization, um, that is carrying Christian values, I, my hope is that with every LifeWise, um, group that we're teaching the kids how to be a bridge for the community.

Reuel Sample
What are your costs going to be? And what do you, what are people, what, what, uh, for, for your, for your organization, for your, uh, churches that are getting involved? Uh, there's gotta be some fundraising for all of this.

Alissa Sivils
Yes. And we right now, because we haven't had approval yet, um, the committee is, um, just working with the community and trying to build out, um, who is willing to help donate and fund, um, who's willing to, um, maybe donate, um, in ways other than actually financially, but in their, their volunteering, their volunteers, or, and if they have materials, um, like, you know, maybe somebody has a van out there somewhere who wants to start us off and we can get a good paint job on it.

Reuel Sample
Right.

Alissa Sivils
I mean, there's things like that. So, um, we're, we're right now just kind of compiling that list and getting those people talking, bringing them together, because we think, you know, obviously we can go and we can collect all these people who can help us out. Right.

But if they're not, if those volunteers, those people who are wanting to come in and help out, if we're not introducing them, we're not bringing them together, then we're kind of, you know, on the other side of a river without a bridge. So that's kind of where we're at right now. We're trying to bring those people together and see what can we come up with here at the beginning of all of this to get us started.

And I think that's kind of any grassroots program. It's like, you know, you have guidance from this foundational life wise, but it's really up to us.

Reuel Sample
Is the goal to make the, make sure that no child has to pay for this?

Alissa Sivils
Exactly.

Reuel Sample
Okay.

Alissa Sivils
Yes. Yes.

Reuel Sample
So, uh, the, the, the, the children and their parents, the parents can give to their program, but it is not a requirement for their kids to attend this.

Alissa Sivils
No, no. And you know what, what will happen here, and this is, this is kind of, will be the next step for us. Um, uh, and I'm going to say when this gets approved, um, the next step for us then will be as a committee, we need to hire a county director.

Um, and then we're going to have to also look at hiring a, um, a lead teacher. Um, and we have, like I said, we already have a list of very qualified, even within the county, um, of teachers that, um, that are already signed up who, who have taught or are maybe substituting, um, in the system currently. So, so it's, it's beautiful.

It's beautiful to see the support there.

Reuel Sample
What is the next step? You've already gone in front of the school board that has been, I call them the school board. They don't like it when I call them the school board, it's the board of education, uh, but, uh, the school board, uh, you've gone in front of them.

You've already talked to, um, uh, the superintendent for a little bit. Uh, and are they reviewing your program? What's the next step?

Alissa Sivils
Right now they're in the review of the program. Um, they, they're in the review of the program with potential of writing an MOU.

Reuel Sample
Um, what's an MOU?

Alissa Sivils
It's a member. What is it?

Reuel Sample
I'm not going to let you throw acronyms around on this program.

Alissa Sivils
Memorandum of understanding. So, um, anyways, so if, um, and, and this is something, and let me just kind of, um, explain the first step here is that the, the board, um, voted unanimously to research the program, so that's the current space we're in now. Um, and during this time, there's been a lot of hoopla out there, a lot of things going around, a lot of things stirring.

And, um, and that's why I'm here talking to you today. Um, so yeah, with that being said, they're still in that process. And, um, as we, when we last spoke to Dr. Barnes, um, we're waiting for them to complete that process and then to, um, take another, another vote and have another conversation between him and the board, um, on, on the next step.

Reuel Sample
So right now, just the school board hasn't committed to anything other than just researching it, just seeing if, if this will work, uh, talking, probably talking to their principals, talking to folks that are involved just to get all the information, uh, it, uh, sometimes it just, it, it's scary to me how people get upset just by asking questions because that's, what's all, that's what's going on is that they're just asking questions, just asking questions.

Alissa Sivils
And, and of course, you know, those questions want to be taken and skewed, um, into all different directions. And so, um, yeah. Um, when really all of this is just a very simple understanding of a program that is optional.

Reuel Sample
When do you hope to start?

Alissa Sivils
So my hope to start, and this is kind of a team thing. Um, it's something that we've also, um, talked to, um, as far as projecting, you know, from the board, um, from the superintendent, um, is possibly fall.

Reuel Sample
Okay.

Alissa Sivils
So if it's approved, so we're just kind of waiting on that approval to see if that happens. And then if so, we're really hoping for fall.

Reuel Sample
Okay. And, and again, just a, hopefully just a pilot program in maybe even just one school with maybe even one grade, but it all depends on what that community wants.

Alissa Sivils
Right.

Reuel Sample
That's interesting.

Alissa Sivils
Right. It really is going to come down to the community and the school and the agreement we have. So, okay.

Reuel Sample
So how can people get ahold of you to either donate or to give you feedback or if parents have questions or concerns, is there a website that they can go to? Is there, is there a way for them to get in touch with you?

Alissa Sivils
Absolutely. Um, you can go to lifewise.org and you can, um, get on there and you can get all, I mean, they have a ton of information on their website in general.

Reuel Sample
There's even a curriculum that they can download.

Alissa Sivils
Yes. There's a curriculum. You can request to view their curriculum.

I think they give you maybe 48 hours to review it. Um, there's some legalities behind it. Um, and, and copyright information and things like that, that they have to only give about, you know, a 40 hour period, 48 hour period of time for, um, the viewing.

But, um, you can do that upon request.

Reuel Sample
Yep. And they can also get in touch with you through there or?

Alissa Sivils
Sure. So, um, we have an email address and, oh my goodness. Um, I might have to look and see what that email address is.

Reuel Sample
We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll put it in the, we'll put it in the, uh, in the, uh, in the email, uh, there's, uh, if you go to LifeWise and just, uh, go onto their info section, they'll be able to get in touch with you that way.

Alissa Sivils
They will be able to get in touch. And, um, and then, uh, yes, I can give you the email address that we've established and I, of course I forgot. New Hanover County, lifewise at gmail.com, I believe.

Reuel Sample
Something like that. Something like that.

Alissa Sivils
So we'll, we'll get that worked out.

Reuel Sample
So Alissa Sivils from LifeWise, uh, just asking questions about getting the truth of the gospel into our, into, uh, in front of our kids. Um, and you know, it's about time.

Alissa Sivils
It is about time.

Reuel Sample
So, uh, best of luck.

Alissa Sivils
Thank you. I appreciate your time. Thank you for coming on.

Absolutely.

Reuel Sample
Uh, I hope this wasn't too scary.

Alissa Sivils
Oh, no, it was good.

Reuel Sample
Good. All right.

Alissa Sivils
You made it very comfortable.

Reuel Sample
So, and just so you know, is that, uh, you know, we talked about some of these topics beforehand, but I purposely asked Alissa not to tell me what you were going to talk about. So I, uh, I found out along with the rest of you. So it was, it's been a good conversation.

So thank you for coming on.

Alissa Sivils
You're welcome. Thank you.

Reuel Sample
Uh, and again, if you have any questions, make sure that you get ahold of Alyssa and the good folks at LifeWise, they'll be able to answer any questions. So, uh, thank you very much for the Wilmington Standard I'm Reuel Sample. Thanks for listening.

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